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imagine the most popular heroic story

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one which spans three Millennia and goes

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to the very heart of the largest

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religion in the world

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but which now has almost entirely

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devolved into myth

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ignored and avoided by the establishment

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shunned and unexplored by archaeologists

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and historians consigned to the back

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rooms of academic study yet everyone

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knows the characters and the plot

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the tales of King Arthur and his Knights

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of the Round Table

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but no one knows the reality or do they

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suppose everything you thought you knew

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about King Arthur was invented by an

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invading foreign power unsympathetic to

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the truth

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and seeking to subvert and overthrow a

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long and ancient existing regime

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suppose the incredible truth was a story

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so strong and so mysterious

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that it could support an entire nation

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through its truly Darkest Hours and

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perhaps reinvent the same Nation for a

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new millennium

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well the polychronicon is a symphony of

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History the real history and Archeology

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involved in this very topic with none

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other than one of my favorite authors

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and researchers Mark Ali you're in for a

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heck of a ride today

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thank you

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Blast Off on an epic episode of the

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the anomalous ambassador of the airwaves

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bringing you an epic episode today we

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have Mark Ali discussing the

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polychronicon

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this is the real history and Archeology

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not just the invention of creative minds

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and it reveals incidents and characters

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chronological order leaving the

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impression that Britain has always been

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a very different place to the one

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painted by popular history Merlin

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becomes one of an ancient line of

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Pythagorean Scholars and political

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Visionaries

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Joseph of aramathea a religious

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dissident fleeing persecution and death

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to far-off foreign Shores

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Arthur a hardened womanizing battle

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leader who loses his entire family and

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culture to war and eventually natural

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disaster

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for the first time ever the Saxons Danes

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and Vikings are placed into an Arthurian

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context Associated Legends are examined

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International sources investigated

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completing missing developments that led

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to the medieval Legends we now know so

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revealing the real and surprising

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geography of Arthur's Britain and the

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if you want the whole truth about Arthur

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the Holy Grail Camelot Excalibur the

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round table heroic Knights Guinevere the

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matter of Britain and where this all

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you are going to want to hear this

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and the polychronicon is the book for

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you

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it is authored by Mark Ollie I've

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discussed things with Mark before he's

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from one of my favorite independent

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publishers

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and he knows what he's talking about

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have a lot that's going to come out and

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something that is going to come out for

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the first time which has never come out

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before and that is the fact that our

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has a literal

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personal reason why he has done so much

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investigative work and research on this

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subject it's going to blow your minds

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it's pretty amazing

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a true honor and a pleasure

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Mark Ali welcome to the hero paranormal

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podcast Hello nice to be here oh it's

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I'm sorry we had quite a few technical

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difficulties on this uh it's taken us

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almost a half an hour to finally connect

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but it's going to be worth it I am just

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mesmerized by your new book The poly

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polychronicon and I'm 100 a believer in

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everything that it seems that modern

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historians and archaeologists and the

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like they seem to just shrug off they

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they don't seem to take this as

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seriously as it should be taken what wow

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I was going to say the key the key to it

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really for me was just to put everything

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in chronological order it's kind of as

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soon as you do that you suddenly kind of

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make sense of it all you know instead of

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just sort of toe dipping from one period

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um I I don't think anybody's ever done

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that before surprisingly

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it's fascinating because you know

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a lot of people in high places

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believe in the reality that this all

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took place and it's only those I guess

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mainstream his the mainstream historians

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are not lending Credence to a lot of

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what has taken place and a lot took

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place in your particular neck of the

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woods that a lot of people believe in

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what what started you on this path

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um back in 1977 I made a cine film uh a

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super eight millimeter jobby uh when I

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medieval material uh but then I just

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thought you know what I reckon there's

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more to it than this and as soon as I

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finally out all those years of research

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it's been a long journey I've met lots

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of people talk to loads of people world

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really to to have it as a part of your

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psyche as it were because this is where

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around the country Scotland wants it you

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know Lancashire and Cumbria want it

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Wales wants it the Midlands want it down

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south they definitely want it you know

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that sort of western side of Britain but

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that is really where the the driving

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which I think is is the driving force

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polychronicon how did you come up with

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that name I haven't seen that anywhere

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I mean whilst what a fantastic thing to

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stick on a book because nobody else has

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got it so I think this 300 King Arthur

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books a year coming out worldwide so

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monk sat there writing a history of the

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world actually uh in Chester uh and he

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case it was the polychronicon of Ronald

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hegdon but that particular book was a

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chronological polychronic order of

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history for his time and it included a

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massive section on Arthur because

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did it all that time ago so I'm gonna do

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it again so this is not an entire

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history of the world but it's a history

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of an awful lot of stuff that affects

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the world you know so it's kind of in

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um it's the modern version you know he

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did it without you know he did it sort

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this Millennium that's kind of the

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story absolutely it's it's got it all

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of the most creative minds and most of

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the elites believe this is real history

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and Archeology and not just an invention

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of myth why is it that

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hordes if you like knowing where the

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reality was knowing where the real

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places were because there's always the

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danger that you know these places are

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get trampled or robbed or whatever so

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great measure of protectiveness over

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archeology and everything we've got now

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because if it's out there we're going to

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find it sooner or later but in ages gone

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by they were trying to be protective and

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what the reality the truth of the

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stories contain could be used as a

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threat or could undermine what various

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previous regimes have set up as their uh

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their mandate if you like so you've kind

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of got people coming in I mean people

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Danes you know the Saxons everybody sort

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of piling in there they've all got their

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own agenda and what they've tended to do

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the ethereum material in the medieval

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period and thereafter you know there's

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how you do it so I tried in the book I

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best I can stick strictly to the

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historical facts get it in the right

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order get it in the right place and then

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the entire of the last section you're

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going through the books and getting

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moment he's not put anything in it

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there's no footnotes there's no listed

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appendix or anything until all of a

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sudden you get to the entire of the last

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chapter and it's everything you know

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it's all the books all the research

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material everything you could possibly

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get your hands on so as a springboard

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it's a great place to start with all the

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online resources now you know if you

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don't know something exists you're not

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going to be able to find it but if you

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buy this book you've got probably about

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two or three hundred somethings at the

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back that you can go and look up and

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that that'll set the whole thing of fire

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again people will go off and discover

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more you know go find it don't you know

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take the polychronic on as a starting

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point rather than an end in itself

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yes and you have truly and done a lot of

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research here it's uh it's mind-boggling

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really uh 488 pages is no joke you've

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got a lot of information here and I

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think for the first time ever you've put

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it in a context that is super

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entertaining and you uh let's get into

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the investigation and the research and

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explain to listeners the whole truth

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about Arthur the Holy Grail Camelot

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Excalibur and the whole the whole thing

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okay yeah fire it away pick one of those

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topics and we you know whichever one you

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feel they'll be the most interested in I

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can I can certainly comment on so God

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throw something at me yes I'm always I'm

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always

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wildly entertained by the fact that

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King Arthur's life is very romanticized

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it is considered something like you know

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he had a really great life but in

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reality it was actually quite difficult

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and uh fraught with trouble and and also

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gwenevere is oftentimes something I

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thought was was his wife but she was not

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his first wife was she no no

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um what you're dealing with this is

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where you got to contextualize it what

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you're dealing with here is is basically

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a Dark Age battle leader he's always

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referred to as Ducks ballora morduka

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battles so in actual fact he's not a

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king chances are the king that was um

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controlling him if you like was Melvin

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Gwynedd who was the king of Wales at

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that time so he's just a prominent

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Warrior he's like the Welsh equivalent

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to Beowulf or any of the other you know

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great warriors who remember so that once

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you understand that that he's he's not

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it's not like a Divine ruler you know

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he's not some person that lives in this

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magical spiritual bubble he's very

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gritty he's very down to earth uh yes he

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has three wives in all

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um the first wife Squire who produces

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Mordred

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um and he sort of puts them quietly away

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because that's his teenage sweetheart or

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whatever so they disappear and of course

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Mordred grows to hate him

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um and that's his undoing at the Battle

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of kamlan it's Mordred that kills him

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um he then goes off and runs off with

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this lady from

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um Russian who's connected to another

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family who are connected again to guaya

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so they're not they're no fans of Arthur

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but he runs off with this lady and ends

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up killing another Chieftain as that

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doesn't go down very well so that

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doesn't amount to a whole whole sack of

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beans but by this point it's producing

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children it's producing quite a few of

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them uh then all of a sudden he gets

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towards the end he gets this necessity

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to win over the picks now the picks are

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massive they're an enormous military

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force at this point at the end of the

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Roman era and Guinevere is a pictish

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queen that's what she is so in order to

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win them over he has this Alliance this

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marriage if you like with gwynevere at

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the end but by the time you reach this

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point he's got seven sons and quite a

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few daughters and quite a lot of his

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sons don't live past the end of Arthur's

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life in fact by the time he kills

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Mordred face to face Mordred is the last

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one so for various reasons him his

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family you know his descendants who then

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become non-existent they're all in this

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Iron Age battle setting where they're

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warring they're Waging War and he wasn't

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you know he was a hard womanizing battle

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leader you know at a time when uh you

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know if you didn't rule by force then

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you basically didn't rule so when you

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start getting into it when you start

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looking at his life story it's it's boy

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is it gritty you know it's it's a lot

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harder than the medieval Legend it's not

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in any way romantic you know you can't

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really you know go down the nights and

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shine in armor route and the same's true

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of a lot of the other you know major

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characters

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um you know all his Knights were

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warriors you know basically Knights is a

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Roman term that made it into Anglo-Saxon

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uh but it just means a young heroic

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youth that's all it means so that's his

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warband you know

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um Merlin ends up being pretty much the

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last of the old order of Druids before

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druidry begins to die out and he'd

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really like to see everything going back

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to being Roman again but there are

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several Merlin's in actual fact there

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are about

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um about six of them in all so the one

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that's there at the beginning of

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Arthur's Reigns not the same Merle in

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that area is demise at the end there's

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two of them but the one there at the

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beginning of his Reign he's really the

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last of his kind and then when you start

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looking into the holy grail and you

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start looking into how that over here

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how Christianity got into into Britain

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uh the first church in the world was

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planted here by Joseph of aramisia who

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is a religious dissident fleeing

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persecution you know what I mean the

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Romans want his head on a spike you know

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they really don't like him so he tries

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to get as far away as he possibly can

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from the Romans and he finishes up here

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bringing with him a lot of the artifacts

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that you then find being searched for by

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Arthur and his Knights you know the

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Grail Legend is born you know 500 years

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before the time of Arthur

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um and when you start looking at it

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chronologically when you start looking

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at all these different characters and

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putting them in context wow it's an

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amazing story and it's very modern as

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you say it moves quickly it's fast it's

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entertaining the surprises around every

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corner you know it needs to be made into

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a movie

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it really does it really does and you

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know the Holy Grail is is such an

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important item in various traditions

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and it's been described as so many

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different things the cup a dish a stone

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um what in your opinion

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is the Holy Grail

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okay there's uh there's actually quite a

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few of them I think I got to about 27

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different ones uh that were around at

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the time of Arthur so uh basically the

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Holy Grail by this definition if you

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really want to be brutal about this the

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brutal definition is it has to be

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something that was either created at the

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Last Supper or it has to be something

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that was created at the crucifixion and

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then it becomes a Grail then it becomes

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something connected to Christ that you

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can go off and search for

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um holy exactly

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um and then you've got this idea that it

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becomes the sangril sangrale is a much

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later term it's uh proto-norm and it's

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actually Viking sang means D Capital

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t-h-e-d absolutely D Grail in this

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instance would be the cut used at the

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last supper now the confusing thing is

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there's two of them there's one which is

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the cup of Christ and the other the cup

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of the Apostles both of these cups uh

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were in the church the Holy Sepulcher in

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Jerusalem and uh some research done

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around about I think it was about 2012

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2013 in Spain they did some research on

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two cups there they got these cups all

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the way back to the Middle East and blow

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me if they didn't go find the Islamic

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shipping receipts that actually tell you

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uh that the Knights Templar brought them

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to Spain you know they rescued them from

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the holy Island and brought them there

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so if you actually looking for two

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reasonably sensible Stone chalices there

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they are in Spain that's where they are

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so in that sense in that sense you need

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the book to go and find out sort of more

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details about those but that's where

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they are so

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I mean a Grail is anything that's used

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to serve a company so if you've

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basically got a bowl of some kind and

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it's you know filled with anything

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that's derived from grain so it can be

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bread or porridge or whatever and you're

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flavoring it or you're drinking red wine

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with it so you're using wine with it by

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definition that is literally a Grail so

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by the time you get to Medieval Times

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you know every every church has its own

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and so um there you go it's so important

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to note because it it's it's something

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that serves as an important Motif you

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mentioned

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the Knights Templar and um it basically

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various Traditions describe the holy

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grail and it it's a reality it's

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seemingly not met with the same

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doubt as much of the Arthurian

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literature and so I want to uh kind of

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jump into some more uh of the myth and

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that is

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well or what is purportedly myth is is

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there any reality to The Sword in the

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Stone

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yes I can say there is

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um a lot of what you find in the

519
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Arthurian myths are survivals from much

520
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earlier Traditions so this is where the

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archaeological background comes in so

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for example we know that this idea that

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you can have a prominent sword that goes

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right back into the Bronze Age you know

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they were they were casting works of art

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you know some of these swords that we've

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got archaeologically are just

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breathtaking they were still casting

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those bronze swords right into the ad

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period so when you get to the end of

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what is effectively the the Western

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Roman Empire around about 400 500 A.D

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they were still casting them in bronze

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so you can imagine it you know there's

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some bloke with two halves of a mold and

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the mold is made of stone and they put

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them all together they strap it all up

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they pour the bronze into the top when

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you split the mold the mold Falls in

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half that you have to get hold of that

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saw and pull it out so what's happening

542
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is you're pulling the sword from the

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stone now that in in world's tradition

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that's calderbold that's the flashing

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one or The Shining one made of bronze

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and all the kings in Wales that we know

547
00:22:23,930 --> 00:22:21,600
of at that time in the late late 400s

548
00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:23,940
they all had a sword of their own so

549
00:22:27,950 --> 00:22:25,919
it's not unusual when he's crowned at 15

550
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:27,960
for Arthur to have you know his own

551
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:30,960
bronze sword but the kicker is it's

552
00:22:37,070 --> 00:22:33,360
useless if you go into battle at that

553
00:22:39,289 --> 00:22:37,080
period with that sword you you impact an

554
00:22:41,690 --> 00:22:39,299
iron sword with it the iron sword will

555
00:22:43,970 --> 00:22:41,700
just slide straight through it so it's

556
00:22:46,610 --> 00:22:43,980
known that Arthur also had several other

557
00:22:50,330 --> 00:22:46,620
weapons made of iron including possibly

558
00:22:52,669 --> 00:22:50,340
a matching pair of iron swords so that

559
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:52,679
actually becomes Excalibur that becomes

560
00:22:56,450 --> 00:22:54,960
the Medieval sword

561
00:22:58,010 --> 00:22:56,460
um and the other interesting thing is it

562
00:23:00,590 --> 00:22:58,020
said uh there's a guy called Richard of

563
00:23:03,169 --> 00:23:00,600
Peterborough writes uh in his diary in

564
00:23:06,049 --> 00:23:03,179
the 1200s he actually says Richard the

565
00:23:08,270 --> 00:23:06,059
lionheart sends the iron sword of Arthur

566
00:23:10,730 --> 00:23:08,280
into the Church of the Holy Sepulcher as

567
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:10,740
a gift so one of these days I'm sure I'm

568
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:11,760
going to get around to it when I'm doing

569
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:13,200
some research I'm going to phone up the

570
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:14,880
Church of the Holy Sepulcher and go have

571
00:23:17,870 --> 00:23:16,559
you got a rusty iron bar hanging around

572
00:23:19,690 --> 00:23:17,880
in a Cupboard somewhere you've got no

573
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:19,700
idea what it is

574
00:23:24,049 --> 00:23:22,320
because I bet you on good money that

575
00:23:25,970 --> 00:23:24,059
it's there you know it'll they'll still

576
00:23:27,950 --> 00:23:25,980
have it somewhere they probably just

577
00:23:29,330 --> 00:23:27,960
have no idea what it is

578
00:23:31,370 --> 00:23:29,340
um so yeah I believe he had a couple of

579
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:31,380
iron swords he had a spear a shield he

580
00:23:34,909 --> 00:23:32,880
had all the usual accoutrements you find

581
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:34,919
with Iron Age Warriors they all have

582
00:23:39,230 --> 00:23:36,720
names they're all you know going to

583
00:23:40,850 --> 00:23:39,240
Legend and they're all in the book so um

584
00:23:43,130 --> 00:23:40,860
you know they all have their interesting

585
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:43,140
are interesting stories

586
00:23:47,630 --> 00:23:45,360
historically they really do and there's

587
00:23:49,630 --> 00:23:47,640
a lot of evidence supporting a lot of

588
00:23:52,370 --> 00:23:49,640
the history a lot of the weapons

589
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:52,380
Excalibur is one of them and it was

590
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:54,480
supposedly discovered during the

591
00:24:02,330 --> 00:23:57,120
purported examination of Arthur's grave

592
00:24:05,390 --> 00:24:02,340
at Glastonbury Abbey in 1191. now has

593
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:05,400
there been any is it true that this was

594
00:24:10,730 --> 00:24:07,919
given as a gift of Goodwill to the

595
00:24:12,590 --> 00:24:10,740
English king Richard

596
00:24:14,029 --> 00:24:12,600
um Richard the lionheart had a sword yes

597
00:24:16,430 --> 00:24:14,039
he definitely had a sword that was said

598
00:24:17,810 --> 00:24:16,440
to be the sword of Arthur but that

599
00:24:19,130 --> 00:24:17,820
wasn't unusual because there was lots of

600
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:19,140
other swords around that and there was a

601
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:20,640
sort of Constantine the Great there was

602
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:23,760
a sort of um Joseph of aramisia there

603
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:24,960
were lots of different swords that were

604
00:24:28,130 --> 00:24:26,640
all purported to be legendary sorts of

605
00:24:30,890 --> 00:24:28,140
one kind or another but the thing about

606
00:24:32,810 --> 00:24:30,900
Glastonbury is Glastonbury is built on a

607
00:24:36,110 --> 00:24:32,820
cult culture the Glastonbury Lake

608
00:24:39,649 --> 00:24:36,120
Village culture that buried people in

609
00:24:41,630 --> 00:24:39,659
logs and it's an earlier inh culture so

610
00:24:43,549 --> 00:24:41,640
for the monks to dig down so deep and

611
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:43,559
dig a body up that or two bodies as it

612
00:24:48,649 --> 00:24:46,799
was buried in a log uh coffin that's

613
00:24:50,450 --> 00:24:48,659
actually not unusual but then the

614
00:24:53,210 --> 00:24:50,460
details after that then start to get

615
00:24:55,310 --> 00:24:53,220
really worried woolly because you know

616
00:24:57,289 --> 00:24:55,320
there was there was no hair that that

617
00:24:59,330 --> 00:24:57,299
they could attribute to Guinevere in

618
00:25:00,890 --> 00:24:59,340
there you know the the lead cross has

619
00:25:02,570 --> 00:25:00,900
got that was found with it has got

620
00:25:04,909 --> 00:25:02,580
medieval writing on it so it's a wrong

621
00:25:06,529 --> 00:25:04,919
period they said it had Coats of Arms

622
00:25:08,450 --> 00:25:06,539
painted on it so they could identify who

623
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:08,460
was in It Coats of Arms are a medieval

624
00:25:12,350 --> 00:25:10,559
invention they didn't even exist you

625
00:25:15,470 --> 00:25:12,360
know properly they weren't codified in

626
00:25:17,149 --> 00:25:15,480
the 1100s so they come later so you've

627
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:17,159
got all these inconsistencies and then

628
00:25:21,409 --> 00:25:19,679
to cap it all you've got you know Edward

629
00:25:23,210 --> 00:25:21,419
Longshanks this really nasty English

630
00:25:24,769 --> 00:25:23,220
king that's trying to dominate The Welsh

631
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:24,779
he's got this problem where the world

632
00:25:27,169 --> 00:25:25,919
she's saying Arthur are going to come

633
00:25:30,409 --> 00:25:27,179
back and lead them to Victory against

634
00:25:33,409 --> 00:25:30,419
the English so conveniently he turns up

635
00:25:36,350 --> 00:25:33,419
you know with is Queen Eleanor and goes

636
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:36,360
yes of course that's Arthur we have a

637
00:25:40,190 --> 00:25:38,640
body clearly he's not coming back you

638
00:25:41,870 --> 00:25:40,200
know the monks are all ringing the hands

639
00:25:43,610 --> 00:25:41,880
in with Glee going yeah it's fantastic

640
00:25:45,169 --> 00:25:43,620
we'll earned some money off this we'll

641
00:25:47,390 --> 00:25:45,179
have loads of pilgrims that can rebuild

642
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:47,400
the church the entire thing it's one of

643
00:25:51,649 --> 00:25:48,960
the very first acknowledged

644
00:25:55,070 --> 00:25:51,659
archaeological Fates yes they probably

645
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:55,080
found something but no it's not King

646
00:25:58,430 --> 00:25:56,880
Arthur and then when you get into the

647
00:26:00,350 --> 00:25:58,440
book If you really check out the the

648
00:26:02,990 --> 00:26:00,360
sort of the fine print in the book you

649
00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:03,000
get to the section about Glastonbury and

650
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:05,700
you discover that glastiniberg is

651
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:07,919
actually Glen Gotham in North Wales

652
00:26:12,409 --> 00:26:10,320
where Valley Cruces Abby is so again

653
00:26:14,110 --> 00:26:12,419
it's a case of them pinching an earlier

654
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:14,120
sight pinching an earlier Legend

655
00:26:19,070 --> 00:26:17,279
uprooting it and then shifting it down

656
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:19,080
south and the same thing happens with

657
00:26:22,490 --> 00:26:21,360
syntagel Castle as well uh Jeffrey

658
00:26:24,590 --> 00:26:22,500
monmouth's history of the kings of

659
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:24,600
Britain is about 10 editions that

660
00:26:28,490 --> 00:26:26,880
survive early editions of that and then

661
00:26:32,330 --> 00:26:28,500
all of a sudden Robert of glossary is

662
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:32,340
patrons cousin buys the castle so then

663
00:26:37,130 --> 00:26:35,279
all the next set of editions of it have

664
00:26:39,769 --> 00:26:37,140
got the castle written in with all the

665
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:39,779
Arthurian stuff attached to it well the

666
00:26:43,730 --> 00:26:41,520
story that's attached to tadoo actually

667
00:26:45,950 --> 00:26:43,740
happened in France it happened in

668
00:26:48,169 --> 00:26:45,960
Brittany so they've imported another

669
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:48,179
story and bolted it on

670
00:26:52,430 --> 00:26:49,919
um and you get an awful lot of this you

671
00:26:56,210 --> 00:26:52,440
just got to be really careful to pay

672
00:26:58,430 --> 00:26:56,220
attention to the dates on Stories the

673
00:26:59,930 --> 00:26:58,440
biggest bug bear I have put in the book

674
00:27:01,370 --> 00:26:59,940
together was trying to make sense of

675
00:27:03,769 --> 00:27:01,380
where the material was coming from

676
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:03,779
because so many of the medieval writers

677
00:27:07,370 --> 00:27:06,000
were just pulling it from everywhere you

678
00:27:09,049 --> 00:27:07,380
know it's coming in from all sorts of

679
00:27:11,210 --> 00:27:09,059
angles I mean there's one person even

680
00:27:13,490 --> 00:27:11,220
accused Jeffrey Monmouth of making it up

681
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:13,500
you know they actually said he is he is

682
00:27:18,049 --> 00:27:15,840
a liar you know he's inventing this I

683
00:27:20,510 --> 00:27:18,059
wouldn't go that far I I think he just

684
00:27:22,850 --> 00:27:20,520
he reworks it and it becomes this

685
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:22,860
amazing Walt Disney you know super duper

686
00:27:27,049 --> 00:27:25,200
all singing all dancing Legend we've got

687
00:27:28,970 --> 00:27:27,059
today but the early stuff was still

688
00:27:30,590 --> 00:27:28,980
there you know he was borrowing books

689
00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:30,600
from the Abba to Banger in North Wales

690
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:32,240
and he was nicking material out of those

691
00:27:35,930 --> 00:27:34,559
so when you start to see where all this

692
00:27:38,510 --> 00:27:35,940
is coming from or what dates it's all

693
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:38,520
happening you've really got to I hate to

694
00:27:41,630 --> 00:27:40,080
say this but you really got to tread

695
00:27:44,210 --> 00:27:41,640
very carefully with the medieval stuff

696
00:27:46,730 --> 00:27:44,220
and throw most of it in the bin

697
00:27:48,890 --> 00:27:46,740
because you need to get past it you need

698
00:27:50,269 --> 00:27:48,900
to get to stuff before that and

699
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:50,279
hopefully that's what the book will be

700
00:27:53,570 --> 00:27:52,320
it'll be a sign post to the earlier

701
00:27:55,310 --> 00:27:53,580
material

702
00:27:56,690 --> 00:27:55,320
um there are someone translated Welsh

703
00:27:58,610 --> 00:27:56,700
documents still knocking around in the

704
00:28:00,730 --> 00:27:58,620
library of Wales and I'm dying to see

705
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:00,740
what comes out from those I really am

706
00:28:07,070 --> 00:28:03,840
you you have done such a great job of

707
00:28:09,010 --> 00:28:07,080
investigating and researching this Mark

708
00:28:14,510 --> 00:28:09,020
um let's get a little biblical on this

709
00:28:17,210 --> 00:28:14,520
and uh Joseph of aramethia was according

710
00:28:19,490 --> 00:28:17,220
to all four gospels the man who assumed

711
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:19,500
responsibility for the burial of Jesus

712
00:28:26,210 --> 00:28:22,799
after his crucifixion the historical

713
00:28:28,130 --> 00:28:26,220
location of aramethia is uncertain where

714
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:28,140
is it in your opinion and let's jump

715
00:28:31,549 --> 00:28:29,760
into Joseph

716
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:31,559
okay

717
00:28:35,090 --> 00:28:32,159
um

718
00:28:38,750 --> 00:28:35,100
his name's Joseph Joseph of aramathia I

719
00:28:42,289 --> 00:28:38,760
am ARA Messiah was said I believe uh to

720
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:42,299
be a village or a territory on the banks

721
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:45,600
of the Sea of Galilee I believe now

722
00:28:49,130 --> 00:28:47,520
that's not in the book so you're really

723
00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:49,140
testing me general knowledge with that

724
00:28:55,010 --> 00:28:52,740
one uh yes he was the person

725
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:55,020
um he was Jesus's Uncle so he had the

726
00:29:00,049 --> 00:28:57,360
right to claim the body and he whilst a

727
00:29:02,930 --> 00:29:00,059
person who had a tomb available in which

728
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:02,940
to put the body but as you say if we get

729
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,320
biblical

730
00:29:08,510 --> 00:29:06,240
um that body only stayed in the Tomb for

731
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:08,520
three days and then Wham you know he's

732
00:29:12,289 --> 00:29:11,039
back hello I'm back from the dead uh so

733
00:29:13,730 --> 00:29:12,299
then you've got these you know you've

734
00:29:14,990 --> 00:29:13,740
got the Shroud you've got the face cloth

735
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:15,000
you've got all the embalming stuff and

736
00:29:19,490 --> 00:29:16,559
everything associated with that that

737
00:29:21,529 --> 00:29:19,500
would still broadly speaking be attached

738
00:29:24,769 --> 00:29:21,539
to the crucifixion

739
00:29:28,250 --> 00:29:24,779
and what happens around the crucifixion

740
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:28,260
um so that's kind of part of that

741
00:29:34,010 --> 00:29:31,679
it later becomes Grail law and the

742
00:29:35,810 --> 00:29:34,020
reason it all becomes legendary is you

743
00:29:39,289 --> 00:29:35,820
you've got to contextualize it again and

744
00:29:42,649 --> 00:29:39,299
say well most people couldn't read Latin

745
00:29:44,810 --> 00:29:42,659
or to judaic scriptures or anything like

746
00:29:46,970 --> 00:29:44,820
that and there was no Bible you know we

747
00:29:49,730 --> 00:29:46,980
didn't have one over here translated

748
00:29:50,930 --> 00:29:49,740
into the common tongue in fact they're

749
00:29:54,110 --> 00:29:50,940
in the process of putting the Bible

750
00:29:55,610 --> 00:29:54,120
together in Arthur's day so right

751
00:29:57,950 --> 00:29:55,620
through that early medieval right

752
00:29:59,630 --> 00:29:57,960
through the Dark Ages there wasn't

753
00:30:02,149 --> 00:29:59,640
really any reference material for the

754
00:30:03,529 --> 00:30:02,159
ordinary person to go to so the barbs

755
00:30:05,090 --> 00:30:03,539
the Troubadours the storytellers they

756
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:05,100
all get hold of that they get hold of

757
00:30:09,049 --> 00:30:07,200
the story of Joseph to get hold of

758
00:30:11,389 --> 00:30:09,059
everything that's in the Bible and they

759
00:30:13,310 --> 00:30:11,399
spin it you know they spin it and attach

760
00:30:14,570 --> 00:30:13,320
it which doesn't make sense is what

761
00:30:16,669 --> 00:30:14,580
happens in Arthur's Court because you

762
00:30:18,169 --> 00:30:16,679
know people come in tell stories and I

763
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:18,179
was just like oh yeah it's only down the

764
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:19,919
road we could go and search for that you

765
00:30:23,389 --> 00:30:21,360
know and that's how they all end up

766
00:30:25,310 --> 00:30:23,399
going on quests and things like that so

767
00:30:27,169 --> 00:30:25,320
that that's perfectly plausible but no

768
00:30:30,110 --> 00:30:27,179
uh Joseph arimuthy a very interesting

769
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:30,120
character um said to be a knight

770
00:30:34,909 --> 00:30:32,399
which he could have been said to be a

771
00:30:38,570 --> 00:30:34,919
tin Miner so he knew his way to Britain

772
00:30:40,610 --> 00:30:38,580
maybe that's possible uh does he go down

773
00:30:43,010 --> 00:30:40,620
to where he all held down in Glastonbury

774
00:30:44,930 --> 00:30:43,020
no he doesn't the original Legends it's

775
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:44,940
Wirral Hill this is where you start

776
00:30:49,250 --> 00:30:46,559
getting into the geography and you start

777
00:30:51,289 --> 00:30:49,260
looking more towards North Wales Wirral

778
00:30:52,850 --> 00:30:51,299
is literally just off the coast of North

779
00:30:54,769 --> 00:30:52,860
Wales it's a

780
00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:54,779
um a sort of a Promontory if you like

781
00:30:58,669 --> 00:30:56,340
that juts out with a river above and

782
00:31:00,169 --> 00:30:58,679
below it uh that's the hilly lands on

783
00:31:02,210 --> 00:31:00,179
and there's a certain amount of physical

784
00:31:04,850 --> 00:31:02,220
evidence to back that up

785
00:31:07,010 --> 00:31:04,860
um so it's all in the uh it's all in the

786
00:31:09,049 --> 00:31:07,020
book that is a particularly important

787
00:31:10,730 --> 00:31:09,059
part when you look at the title and it

788
00:31:13,010 --> 00:31:10,740
says Merlin Joseph and Arthur it's it's

789
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:13,020
Merlin is The Druids so that's like the

790
00:31:16,850 --> 00:31:14,640
front end you need to sort of get to

791
00:31:19,789 --> 00:31:16,860
grips with druidry to really comprehend

792
00:31:21,289 --> 00:31:19,799
what's going on with Merlin and in

793
00:31:24,289 --> 00:31:21,299
Britain at that time and then you go

794
00:31:27,049 --> 00:31:24,299
Joseph okay he's he's earlier than

795
00:31:29,149 --> 00:31:27,059
Merlin but in the timeline you've got to

796
00:31:30,649 --> 00:31:29,159
then sort of get to grips with him and

797
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:30,659
understand where the Christian

798
00:31:34,610 --> 00:31:32,640
backgrounds coming from and then the

799
00:31:36,889 --> 00:31:34,620
next one obviously is Arthur and he

800
00:31:38,990 --> 00:31:36,899
pulls all of those threads together so

801
00:31:41,630 --> 00:31:39,000
if you follow through on the book it

802
00:31:43,310 --> 00:31:41,640
kind of follows and makes sense like I

803
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:43,320
say it makes quite a sensible story now

804
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:44,880
Joseph's an amazing character he's

805
00:31:48,169 --> 00:31:46,799
really important like I say he gets

806
00:31:51,769 --> 00:31:48,179
there in sort of somewhere around about

807
00:31:53,870 --> 00:31:51,779
52 A.D 53 A.D there's a king in North

808
00:31:56,269 --> 00:31:53,880
Wales called crude oil didn't like the

809
00:31:57,950 --> 00:31:56,279
look of him so when he wanders across

810
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:57,960
from the world into North Wales to grab

811
00:32:01,730 --> 00:32:00,240
him they imprisoned him and he starts to

812
00:32:05,210 --> 00:32:01,740
build a church in North Wales when he's

813
00:32:08,450 --> 00:32:05,220
released in about 54-55 A.D certainly by

814
00:32:10,010 --> 00:32:08,460
56 A.D there's a church here so this is

815
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:10,020
the funny part of it if you had knocked

816
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:12,240
on the Pope's door you went to Rome and

817
00:32:15,169 --> 00:32:13,440
you kind of tapped on his door and went

818
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:15,179
what's the oldest church in the world

819
00:32:20,269 --> 00:32:17,760
the pope would actually say

820
00:32:23,330 --> 00:32:20,279
it's the British Celtic church because

821
00:32:24,889 --> 00:32:23,340
of Joseph of Arimathea because the Roman

822
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:24,899
Church the Roman Catholic Church is

823
00:32:31,070 --> 00:32:28,799
after 60 A.D it's 60 61 62 A.D and it's

824
00:32:33,470 --> 00:32:31,080
Peter and Paul so actually we've got

825
00:32:36,110 --> 00:32:33,480
stuff going on here perhaps as long as

826
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,120
10 years before Christianity is being

827
00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:38,640
outplanted if you like in Rome

828
00:32:41,889 --> 00:32:40,500
um and the Celtic church is very very

829
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:41,899
different when you when you understand

830
00:32:47,930 --> 00:32:45,600
how the merger occurs between uh what is

831
00:32:49,490 --> 00:32:47,940
sort of late Roman period druidry and

832
00:32:50,930 --> 00:32:49,500
then early first century Gnostic

833
00:32:53,210 --> 00:32:50,940
Christianity when you push the two

834
00:32:54,769 --> 00:32:53,220
together boy does it answer lots of

835
00:32:57,049 --> 00:32:54,779
questions it answers so many questions

836
00:32:58,730 --> 00:32:57,059
uh probably not the questions the church

837
00:33:01,010 --> 00:32:58,740
would want you to have the answers to

838
00:33:02,510 --> 00:33:01,020
but they're there you know if you plow

839
00:33:04,730 --> 00:33:02,520
through the material in the book it will

840
00:33:06,610 --> 00:33:04,740
give you so much illumination as to

841
00:33:09,710 --> 00:33:06,620
what's going on

842
00:33:11,510 --> 00:33:09,720
yes and I think it's super important

843
00:33:13,610 --> 00:33:11,520
that you mentioned this before the

844
00:33:16,850 --> 00:33:13,620
Christian era arrived

845
00:33:19,730 --> 00:33:16,860
the figures such as Merlin would have

846
00:33:22,430 --> 00:33:19,740
been very important in beliefs and magic

847
00:33:24,350 --> 00:33:22,440
and spiritualism and that kind of leads

848
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:24,360
me to my next question I recently heard

849
00:33:30,110 --> 00:33:27,360
on another podcast and they went into

850
00:33:31,610 --> 00:33:30,120
detail about it Merlin's mother has a

851
00:33:33,529 --> 00:33:31,620
bit of an interesting story as well

852
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:33,539
doesn't she

853
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:37,679
well that depends on who you read now I

854
00:33:44,269 --> 00:33:41,039
kind of dodged the issue because because

855
00:33:47,149 --> 00:33:44,279
the actual story itself is very very

856
00:33:49,009 --> 00:33:47,159
late so the only material you've got

857
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:49,019
about that Legend is Medieval purely

858
00:33:53,149 --> 00:33:51,120
medieval so I kind of threw the baby out

859
00:33:55,549 --> 00:33:53,159
of the bathwater is is definitely

860
00:33:57,049 --> 00:33:55,559
connected to um

861
00:33:58,970 --> 00:33:57,059
could have them there's no doubt about

862
00:34:01,909 --> 00:33:58,980
that that's that's where he is he's down

863
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:01,919
there in Wales South Wales and he's

864
00:34:06,289 --> 00:34:04,320
definitely got that Iron Age kind of

865
00:34:08,210 --> 00:34:06,299
druidic he's following on all the

866
00:34:10,129 --> 00:34:08,220
locations down there there was Merlin's

867
00:34:12,290 --> 00:34:10,139
Oak there's lots of other things but his

868
00:34:15,530 --> 00:34:12,300
mother was said to be

869
00:34:19,490 --> 00:34:15,540
a nun at a local monastery

870
00:34:21,609 --> 00:34:19,500
who was impregnated by either a demon or

871
00:34:25,609 --> 00:34:21,619
the devil so she gives birth

872
00:34:27,470 --> 00:34:25,619
miraculously uh to this magical person

873
00:34:30,349 --> 00:34:27,480
the son without the father as the legend

874
00:34:32,510 --> 00:34:30,359
says who has the ability to see back

875
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,520
into the distant past but also has the

876
00:34:37,490 --> 00:34:34,800
ability to see way into the future so he

877
00:34:39,290 --> 00:34:37,500
becomes this amazing amazing medieval uh

878
00:34:40,669 --> 00:34:39,300
person but there's a few problems in

879
00:34:43,550 --> 00:34:40,679
that because for a start they didn't

880
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:43,560
have those kind of monasteries filled

881
00:34:46,190 --> 00:34:45,359
with nuns they didn't have them like

882
00:34:48,649 --> 00:34:46,200
that

883
00:34:51,050 --> 00:34:48,659
in the days of Arthur they just didn't

884
00:34:54,109 --> 00:34:51,060
exist they might have had you know sort

885
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:54,119
of priestesses in Hill forts you know

886
00:34:57,890 --> 00:34:56,159
secreted around the country but they

887
00:34:59,329 --> 00:34:57,900
would not have been what we imagined to

888
00:35:01,609 --> 00:34:59,339
be a nun

889
00:35:04,070 --> 00:35:01,619
um and also in the past when you get

890
00:35:07,790 --> 00:35:04,080
past the medieval Legends at no point do

891
00:35:10,490 --> 00:35:07,800
they ever say that he never had a father

892
00:35:12,890 --> 00:35:10,500
um the father was unknown which made him

893
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:12,900
fatherless so somebody comes along with

894
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:14,400
you know you know some kind of you know

895
00:35:19,010 --> 00:35:17,280
12 volume work on Merlin that you know

896
00:35:20,810 --> 00:35:19,020
gives you all of his family tree and all

897
00:35:22,670 --> 00:35:20,820
the details and it tells you know which

898
00:35:24,530 --> 00:35:22,680
demon it was that did it and where they

899
00:35:26,270 --> 00:35:24,540
were based and you know this is the

900
00:35:28,670 --> 00:35:26,280
nunnery where it all took place on

901
00:35:30,410 --> 00:35:28,680
nonsense absolute nonsense I've got to

902
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:30,420
say that I don't think anyone's I don't

903
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:32,160
think anyone's ever done that I Hope

904
00:35:37,250 --> 00:35:34,079
they've never done that but it is

905
00:35:39,650 --> 00:35:37,260
literally medieval you know Legends

906
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:39,660
super legend if you like uh was he

907
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:41,760
magical well yeah I think he probably

908
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:44,160
would have been regarded as magical The

909
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:46,320
Druids tended to follow Pythagoras

910
00:35:50,030 --> 00:35:48,720
Pythagorean teachings so they were Greek

911
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:50,040
philosophers

912
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:51,119
um and you've only got to take one

913
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,560
glance at the Greeks to realize that

914
00:35:55,790 --> 00:35:54,480
they were super super technologically

915
00:35:57,470 --> 00:35:55,800
advanced

916
00:35:59,630 --> 00:35:57,480
um you know I mean we're talking about a

917
00:36:01,849 --> 00:35:59,640
guy who could stand on a Mountaintop and

918
00:36:04,670 --> 00:36:01,859
go there's about to be an eclipse you

919
00:36:06,650 --> 00:36:04,680
know the whole earth goes black boy are

920
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:06,660
they going to think he's magical but

921
00:36:12,410 --> 00:36:09,359
he's not a stargazer he reads you know

922
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:12,420
the signs the seasons he's a scientist

923
00:36:16,370 --> 00:36:14,400
he's an alchemist you know he's

924
00:36:18,349 --> 00:36:16,380
astrologer as well as an astronomer you

925
00:36:20,930 --> 00:36:18,359
know he's all these things he's the

926
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:20,940
complete Greek philosopher containing

927
00:36:25,310 --> 00:36:23,760
all of the Celtic Traditions the Celtic

928
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:25,320
stories and the Celtic knowledge of his

929
00:36:29,089 --> 00:36:27,359
day so he's bound to look weird he's

930
00:36:32,210 --> 00:36:29,099
bound to look extraordinary compared to

931
00:36:34,130 --> 00:36:32,220
the average uh man in the street and um

932
00:36:35,390 --> 00:36:34,140
if you look at the Celts and you look at

933
00:36:37,250 --> 00:36:35,400
The Druids I mean they said if you

934
00:36:38,810 --> 00:36:37,260
wanted to learn to be a druided the

935
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:38,820
Romans actually said you had to come to

936
00:36:42,770 --> 00:36:40,320
Britain so you I know you've got

937
00:36:44,270 --> 00:36:42,780
asterisk of the girl and the Druids you

938
00:36:46,010 --> 00:36:44,280
know getter fix and all over in France

939
00:36:47,390 --> 00:36:46,020
and all that sort of stuff but no if you

940
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:47,400
wanted to train as a druid you really

941
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:49,680
you came here to Britain and the Celts

942
00:36:54,829 --> 00:36:52,320
the hardcore Celts were here in Britain

943
00:36:58,130 --> 00:36:54,839
so you're looking here at someone who is

944
00:37:01,310 --> 00:36:58,140
a human depository of three or four

945
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:01,320
thousand years of that particular

946
00:37:05,150 --> 00:37:03,599
religion and path well that's that's

947
00:37:08,210 --> 00:37:05,160
double the amount of time we've had

948
00:37:10,490 --> 00:37:08,220
Christianity you know he is he is really

949
00:37:12,410 --> 00:37:10,500
really old school and he represents the

950
00:37:14,089 --> 00:37:12,420
old world and I think that's why he's

951
00:37:16,849 --> 00:37:14,099
such a significant character and he's

952
00:37:19,730 --> 00:37:16,859
important to the Arthurian story because

953
00:37:22,430 --> 00:37:19,740
he's a linchpin you know he is as it

954
00:37:24,109 --> 00:37:22,440
were the past waving goodbye but I mean

955
00:37:25,550 --> 00:37:24,119
by the time the Saxons got hold of the

956
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:25,560
Merlins because there's quite a few of

957
00:37:28,910 --> 00:37:26,880
them they spun about two or three

958
00:37:31,130 --> 00:37:28,920
hundred years the Saxons just wiped them

959
00:37:32,750 --> 00:37:31,140
out they had no interest in Merlin's

960
00:37:34,910 --> 00:37:32,760
whatsoever so by the time you get into

961
00:37:36,770 --> 00:37:34,920
the early 600s you've got the last

962
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:36,780
Merlin probably over in Ireland just

963
00:37:40,849 --> 00:37:39,359
Fizzles out that's the end of it

964
00:37:42,349 --> 00:37:40,859
um so he's a fantastically important

965
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:42,359
character he certainly would have

966
00:37:46,490 --> 00:37:43,920
appeared magical to the average person

967
00:37:50,089 --> 00:37:46,500
absolutely and he's using what we now

968
00:37:52,670 --> 00:37:50,099
regard as that practice of magic in his

969
00:37:55,069 --> 00:37:52,680
day-to-day working of course he is

970
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:55,079
and of course he was one of Arthur's

971
00:38:00,910 --> 00:37:57,839
trusted advisors and bringing us back to

972
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:00,920
Arthur and something that really is

973
00:38:06,109 --> 00:38:03,599
legendary in my opinion and another

974
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:06,119
Telltale sign of the reality of all this

975
00:38:12,410 --> 00:38:09,359
is the mysteries of the Holy Grail and

976
00:38:14,569 --> 00:38:12,420
the Knights of the Mystic Rose and how

977
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:14,579
that relates to Arthur and possibly

978
00:38:18,530 --> 00:38:17,040
modern rosicrucians can we go into that

979
00:38:21,170 --> 00:38:18,540
a little bit

980
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,180
uh yes you can I think the secret link

981
00:38:25,010 --> 00:38:23,760
the the mystical link everybody just

982
00:38:27,230 --> 00:38:25,020
seems to have completely forgotten

983
00:38:28,970 --> 00:38:27,240
there's a book uh It Was Written in

984
00:38:31,849 --> 00:38:28,980
Catalan so it's really hard to translate

985
00:38:35,210 --> 00:38:31,859
but it's in English now and it's called

986
00:38:38,270 --> 00:38:35,220
Tyrunt LeBlanc which is Tyrant the white

987
00:38:40,190 --> 00:38:38,280
and it's about this night and it's got

988
00:38:44,089 --> 00:38:40,200
all of the stuff in there that you need

989
00:38:46,370 --> 00:38:44,099
to know about how nights came about uh

990
00:38:48,109 --> 00:38:46,380
and it's a medieval book it's talking

991
00:38:49,550 --> 00:38:48,119
about it's got a whole section at the

992
00:38:51,530 --> 00:38:49,560
beginning about the foundation for the

993
00:38:53,930 --> 00:38:51,540
order of the Garter now the order of the

994
00:38:55,849 --> 00:38:53,940
Garter is uh I think it's uh let's get

995
00:38:57,890 --> 00:38:55,859
this Edward III

996
00:39:00,170 --> 00:38:57,900
um and he's coming a period of time when

997
00:39:02,750 --> 00:39:00,180
the Templars are disappearing so

998
00:39:05,089 --> 00:39:02,760
everything that goes on from Templars

999
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,099
backwards tends to get sucked up into

1000
00:39:09,710 --> 00:39:07,680
this book it's amazing book and it tells

1001
00:39:11,870 --> 00:39:09,720
you about how the Romans started with

1002
00:39:13,970 --> 00:39:11,880
knights where Arthur went what Arthur

1003
00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:13,980
did it talks about different capitals

1004
00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:16,440
different cities and what they've done

1005
00:39:20,990 --> 00:39:18,060
is they've taken uh what is essentially

1006
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:21,000
a fictitious a story about Knights and

1007
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:22,800
then bolted all this factual information

1008
00:39:28,250 --> 00:39:26,160
on so it's a it's a cracking book if you

1009
00:39:30,589 --> 00:39:28,260
sort of just you know you can tell which

1010
00:39:32,089 --> 00:39:30,599
bits of the legend which bits are not if

1011
00:39:34,970 --> 00:39:32,099
you just look at the background to it

1012
00:39:38,030 --> 00:39:34,980
it's almost like um you know fixed like

1013
00:39:39,650 --> 00:39:38,040
we do now we fictionalize reality and

1014
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:39,660
that's all they've done so you can

1015
00:39:43,310 --> 00:39:41,280
clearly see through it where you've got

1016
00:39:45,950 --> 00:39:43,320
all these these threads of reality now

1017
00:39:48,109 --> 00:39:45,960
that really is the foundation of

1018
00:39:52,010 --> 00:39:48,119
everything that follows

1019
00:39:53,870 --> 00:39:52,020
after about 13 30 1340

1020
00:39:56,829 --> 00:39:53,880
so if you want to know what's feeding

1021
00:39:59,390 --> 00:39:56,839
into all the orders that follow that the

1022
00:40:01,130 --> 00:39:59,400
rosicrucians the even you can stretch

1023
00:40:02,930 --> 00:40:01,140
even further you talk about Freemasons

1024
00:40:05,569 --> 00:40:02,940
you talk about resurrected ordered

1025
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:05,579
Druids uh to some extent witchcraft you

1026
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:07,680
know uh the resurrected orders of

1027
00:40:11,210 --> 00:40:09,599
temples all over the world I mean I'm

1028
00:40:12,829 --> 00:40:11,220
literally you know some of them might

1029
00:40:15,310 --> 00:40:12,839
want to keep this a secret you know so I

1030
00:40:19,069 --> 00:40:15,320
I you know who cares

1031
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:19,079
you know go find that book you know

1032
00:40:23,089 --> 00:40:21,119
Tyrant LeBlanc it's brilliant it's

1033
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:23,099
quoted in in the book I've written

1034
00:40:26,990 --> 00:40:24,480
obviously there's a couple of chunks in

1035
00:40:29,210 --> 00:40:27,000
there it's it's not an easy read but

1036
00:40:31,490 --> 00:40:29,220
it's fascinating once you get in there

1037
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:31,500
all of the stuff that follows

1038
00:40:36,410 --> 00:40:34,079
suddenly starts to make sense because

1039
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:36,420
you've got Source material you know this

1040
00:40:40,730 --> 00:40:38,880
is what I keep banging on about Source

1041
00:40:42,770 --> 00:40:40,740
material you if you've got hold of

1042
00:40:44,450 --> 00:40:42,780
something that's that old and you can

1043
00:40:45,650 --> 00:40:44,460
read it and understand it then wow go

1044
00:40:47,569 --> 00:40:45,660
for it you know

1045
00:40:49,550 --> 00:40:47,579
um and again a lot of the material that

1046
00:40:52,370 --> 00:40:49,560
you find in these orders that then sort

1047
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:52,380
of build up and develop rosicrations

1048
00:40:57,050 --> 00:40:54,480
Etc included an awful lot of that is

1049
00:40:58,430 --> 00:40:57,060
coming out of biblical material

1050
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:58,440
um so you've got to go and have a look

1051
00:41:02,450 --> 00:41:00,720
at that you have to go just start with

1052
00:41:03,950 --> 00:41:02,460
your 66 books of the Bible you know

1053
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:03,960
knock yourself out read them any order

1054
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:05,280
you like because they weren't in that

1055
00:41:08,930 --> 00:41:06,960
order when they were written just go

1056
00:41:10,490 --> 00:41:08,940
pick one read it you know start with the

1057
00:41:12,589 --> 00:41:10,500
Gospel of John it will absolutely blow

1058
00:41:14,810 --> 00:41:12,599
your mind because that really does open

1059
00:41:16,430 --> 00:41:14,820
up the mystical can of worms but then

1060
00:41:17,870 --> 00:41:16,440
we've also got other things nowadays

1061
00:41:19,609 --> 00:41:17,880
you've got the nag comedy Library you've

1062
00:41:21,050 --> 00:41:19,619
got the Dead Sea Scrolls the Old

1063
00:41:23,810 --> 00:41:21,060
Testament Apocrypha you've got new

1064
00:41:25,069 --> 00:41:23,820
testament Apocrypha tons tons of stuff

1065
00:41:27,470 --> 00:41:25,079
out there you can go and have a look at

1066
00:41:30,050 --> 00:41:27,480
and that all feeds into those movements

1067
00:41:32,210 --> 00:41:30,060
as well and chances are you're reading

1068
00:41:34,910 --> 00:41:32,220
some of the material that probably

1069
00:41:36,650 --> 00:41:34,920
filtered in to Arthur and his Knights at

1070
00:41:38,990 --> 00:41:36,660
that period of time and then

1071
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:39,000
subsequently that's what the temple has

1072
00:41:42,829 --> 00:41:40,800
found when they got to the Middle East

1073
00:41:44,210 --> 00:41:42,839
that's that's what was out there when

1074
00:41:46,490 --> 00:41:44,220
they got out to Jerusalem and they got

1075
00:41:48,410 --> 00:41:46,500
out to the Holy Land and all that you're

1076
00:41:50,210 --> 00:41:48,420
in the flow you know you're plowing that

1077
00:41:51,650 --> 00:41:50,220
thorough that's where you need to be

1078
00:41:54,109 --> 00:41:51,660
that's where you need to go and I'm

1079
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:54,119
astounded now at how much Islamic

1080
00:41:57,710 --> 00:41:55,680
stuff's coming out because they've

1081
00:41:59,569 --> 00:41:57,720
finally got stuck in and started

1082
00:42:02,210 --> 00:41:59,579
translating a lot of the stuff that's uh

1083
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:02,220
medieval that's Islamic and some of

1084
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:04,560
those records you know keep an eye on

1085
00:42:09,050 --> 00:42:06,720
that for the next 20 or 30 years uh

1086
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:09,060
you'll be astounded because they did

1087
00:42:13,250 --> 00:42:12,240
keep really really good records so if

1088
00:42:15,230 --> 00:42:13,260
you want to know what's going on in

1089
00:42:16,849 --> 00:42:15,240
Jerusalem at the time the Crusades it's

1090
00:42:19,310 --> 00:42:16,859
gonna look at their records as well

1091
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:19,320
there's some great stuff in there

1092
00:42:23,870 --> 00:42:21,359
um that was probably not the answer you

1093
00:42:25,790 --> 00:42:23,880
expected but there you go I like it it's

1094
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:25,800
exactly the direction I wanted to go

1095
00:42:31,069 --> 00:42:28,079
wasn't what I expected but I think it's

1096
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:31,079
super significant you know stuff like

1097
00:42:35,470 --> 00:42:33,359
the Dead Sea Scrolls which was

1098
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:35,480
considered myth

1099
00:42:41,690 --> 00:42:38,400
in modern history turning into reality

1100
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:41,700
go figure that reminds me so much of uh

1101
00:42:47,690 --> 00:42:44,640
like sir Galahad here we have you know

1102
00:42:50,990 --> 00:42:47,700
the most perfect Holy Night at the round

1103
00:42:53,930 --> 00:42:51,000
table in the 13th century which wears a

1104
00:42:55,370 --> 00:42:53,940
white shield and a Red Cross which turns

1105
00:42:59,329 --> 00:42:55,380
out to be the symbol of the Knights

1106
00:43:02,150 --> 00:42:59,339
Templar so I think a lot of these things

1107
00:43:03,650 --> 00:43:02,160
um are are are are pretty amazing when

1108
00:43:06,349 --> 00:43:03,660
you commit yourself to doing the

1109
00:43:09,770 --> 00:43:06,359
research and investigation you you

1110
00:43:13,130 --> 00:43:09,780
become cognizant of the fact that

1111
00:43:15,230 --> 00:43:13,140
this has significance these aren't just

1112
00:43:17,870 --> 00:43:15,240
Stories the Knights of the Round Table

1113
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:17,880
these have real historical significance

1114
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:20,400
well if you're going to have a look at

1115
00:43:25,130 --> 00:43:22,800
um Von eschenbach's amazing work

1116
00:43:26,510 --> 00:43:25,140
possible which was written in German

1117
00:43:28,250 --> 00:43:26,520
originally but if you have a look at

1118
00:43:30,050 --> 00:43:28,260
Percival uh get a hold of the

1119
00:43:31,250 --> 00:43:30,060
translation of that it's quite common

1120
00:43:34,130 --> 00:43:31,260
actually it's quite easy to get a hold

1121
00:43:37,250 --> 00:43:34,140
of Percival uh go and read that he

1122
00:43:39,950 --> 00:43:37,260
actually tells you that the Templars are

1123
00:43:41,630 --> 00:43:39,960
the guardians of the Grail and there's

1124
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:41,640
even a possibility in that particular

1125
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:43,440
work when you see the Braille procession

1126
00:43:48,349 --> 00:43:45,839
and you see what's coming through that

1127
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:48,359
could actually be a veiled illusion to

1128
00:43:53,210 --> 00:43:51,119
the Templar initiation ceremony that

1129
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:53,220
they went through and the position of

1130
00:43:57,170 --> 00:43:54,960
women in that is quite significant as

1131
00:43:59,450 --> 00:43:57,180
well it's most of the people involved in

1132
00:44:01,490 --> 00:43:59,460
the procession are ladies you know the

1133
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:01,500
ladies play an enormous part it's a very

1134
00:44:05,630 --> 00:44:03,599
balanced story if you read the Arthurian

1135
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:05,640
Legend it's nearly always the ladies

1136
00:44:08,750 --> 00:44:06,960
that they go off and do something on

1137
00:44:10,609 --> 00:44:08,760
behalf of you know it's Guinevere or

1138
00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:10,619
Lady of the Lake or Lady of the fountain

1139
00:44:13,970 --> 00:44:12,660
or you you know whatever whoever it is

1140
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:13,980
it's nearly always the ladies that are

1141
00:44:18,349 --> 00:44:16,079
the impetus that are pushing this

1142
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:18,359
um so yes you really need to go off and

1143
00:44:20,690 --> 00:44:19,440
study it

1144
00:44:22,130 --> 00:44:20,700
um I mean things like the Gospel of

1145
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:22,140
Thomas for example that we've only

1146
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:24,720
recently sort of translated and you know

1147
00:44:28,430 --> 00:44:26,880
made a big thing about I mean that was

1148
00:44:30,290 --> 00:44:28,440
around that was around in the Middle

1149
00:44:32,450 --> 00:44:30,300
East you know in the 10 hundreds eleven

1150
00:44:34,370 --> 00:44:32,460
hundreds twelve hundreds uh chances are

1151
00:44:36,349 --> 00:44:34,380
they were exposed to that and a lot of

1152
00:44:39,230 --> 00:44:36,359
the other alternative gospels that

1153
00:44:41,809 --> 00:44:39,240
disappeared because the sufis out there

1154
00:44:44,089 --> 00:44:41,819
still kept manuscripts and kept records

1155
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:44,099
and kept a lot of stuff hidden that they

1156
00:44:47,630 --> 00:44:45,359
would have been able to talk to the

1157
00:44:49,490 --> 00:44:47,640
knights about but not necessarily

1158
00:44:51,290 --> 00:44:49,500
produce written evidence of now we've

1159
00:44:53,150 --> 00:44:51,300
got the written evidence you know

1160
00:44:54,589 --> 00:44:53,160
um we in the west have known about the

1161
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,599
existence of things like the gospel of

1162
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:56,640
Peter the Gospel of Judas we've known

1163
00:44:59,809 --> 00:44:58,319
these things have existed but it's only

1164
00:45:02,270 --> 00:44:59,819
very recently that we've found them

1165
00:45:03,770 --> 00:45:02,280
actually written down you know so the

1166
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:03,780
knights there's a good possibility they

1167
00:45:07,849 --> 00:45:05,760
got got exposed to some pretty amazing

1168
00:45:09,950 --> 00:45:07,859
stuff out there you know Thomas is one

1169
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:09,960
of the really good ones you know um it's

1170
00:45:13,849 --> 00:45:11,760
that quote know that which is um before

1171
00:45:15,290 --> 00:45:13,859
I face and that which is hidden will be

1172
00:45:17,450 --> 00:45:15,300
revealed you know

1173
00:45:19,010 --> 00:45:17,460
um this world is a bridge pass over it

1174
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:19,020
you know do not build your house here

1175
00:45:22,670 --> 00:45:20,880
you start looking at these quotes you

1176
00:45:24,770 --> 00:45:22,680
start thinking hang on a minute this is

1177
00:45:27,170 --> 00:45:24,780
the Templars you know they're describing

1178
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:27,180
the temples you know Bernard of clover

1179
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:29,040
the uh the Temple of spiritual master

1180
00:45:33,230 --> 00:45:30,240
who was there at the very beginning

1181
00:45:35,630 --> 00:45:33,240
Saint Bernard uh he um he wrote a lot

1182
00:45:37,790 --> 00:45:35,640
about the goddess he had this idea that

1183
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:37,800
God was male and female in equal measure

1184
00:45:42,650 --> 00:45:41,040
you know um honestly that's a thread

1185
00:45:44,450 --> 00:45:42,660
that's a that's a whole thread that you

1186
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:44,460
could just go into you could bear that

1187
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:45,839
you could bear that in mind when you're

1188
00:45:48,290 --> 00:45:47,160
reading the book I mean the book doesn't

1189
00:45:50,750 --> 00:45:48,300
necessarily go into that in great

1190
00:45:53,390 --> 00:45:50,760
details but if you're aware of that it

1191
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:53,400
is a bit Illuminating you know as I say

1192
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:54,480
get out there and read the source

1193
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:55,440
material get out there and have a look

1194
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:56,880
at some of the biblical stuff and it'll

1195
00:46:00,410 --> 00:45:59,040
uh it'll pop your mind it really will

1196
00:46:02,569 --> 00:46:00,420
maybe that's a good idea for a book

1197
00:46:05,569 --> 00:46:02,579
coming up I don't know I might tackle

1198
00:46:07,849 --> 00:46:05,579
that one next yeah it would be a great

1199
00:46:10,670 --> 00:46:07,859
idea and it really the intersections of

1200
00:46:13,309 --> 00:46:10,680
all these they do blow my mind how you

1201
00:46:15,950 --> 00:46:13,319
you look for the similarities not the

1202
00:46:19,130 --> 00:46:15,960
differences in at the Knights of the

1203
00:46:21,470 --> 00:46:19,140
Round Table seemed to accomplish many

1204
00:46:24,829 --> 00:46:21,480
great battles they seem to never

1205
00:46:27,050 --> 00:46:24,839
surrender and less ordered to do so and

1206
00:46:30,650 --> 00:46:27,060
this is also something that is very

1207
00:46:32,990 --> 00:46:30,660
similar to the Knights Templar which you

1208
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:33,000
know acted in in ways that were

1209
00:46:39,170 --> 00:46:36,960
Supernatural almost and they never seem

1210
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:39,180
to retreat surrender or charge without

1211
00:46:44,530 --> 00:46:42,000
being ordered to do so and a lot of this

1212
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:44,540
has moved forward into modern warfare

1213
00:46:50,089 --> 00:46:47,280
and they they were known as very Fierce

1214
00:46:52,250 --> 00:46:50,099
Fighters uh let's let's move on to

1215
00:46:55,609 --> 00:46:52,260
something a little bit um a different

1216
00:46:57,650 --> 00:46:55,619
which is in your research and in your

1217
00:47:00,530 --> 00:46:57,660
investigation I know that in modern

1218
00:47:03,470 --> 00:47:00,540
times a lot of the movies have lent

1219
00:47:05,569 --> 00:47:03,480
Credence to this holy bloodline of Jesus

1220
00:47:08,510 --> 00:47:05,579
much like the uh

1221
00:47:11,569 --> 00:47:08,520
The Da Vinci Code Angels and Demons

1222
00:47:14,089 --> 00:47:11,579
other movies that are more modern what

1223
00:47:17,450 --> 00:47:14,099
have you found or did you find anything

1224
00:47:20,450 --> 00:47:17,460
lending any Credence to this and uh

1225
00:47:22,849 --> 00:47:20,460
possibly the uh order of the Grail or

1226
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:22,859
the or the Knights Templar

1227
00:47:27,470 --> 00:47:26,400
okay two things okay two things

1228
00:47:28,849 --> 00:47:27,480
um I'm not really sure how I'm going to

1229
00:47:31,069 --> 00:47:28,859
approach this

1230
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:31,079
um you might get banned for broadcasting

1231
00:47:34,430 --> 00:47:32,640
this but we'll see where we go with it

1232
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:34,440
no it's a tough one

1233
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:36,000
okay

1234
00:47:39,470 --> 00:47:37,680
um well it's gonna be tough for uh tough

1235
00:47:41,690 --> 00:47:39,480
for guys to cope with this

1236
00:47:43,370 --> 00:47:41,700
um Jesus came to Earth and he said quite

1237
00:47:46,190 --> 00:47:43,380
plainly when he was here I have come to

1238
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:46,200
fulfill all of the law now no one's

1239
00:47:50,030 --> 00:47:48,480
going to argue with that everybody in

1240
00:47:52,550 --> 00:47:50,040
Christianity that's it he came to

1241
00:47:55,010 --> 00:47:52,560
fulfill all of the law

1242
00:47:57,530 --> 00:47:55,020
so what about the law in the Old

1243
00:48:00,890 --> 00:47:57,540
Testament I think it's in Deuteronomy

1244
00:48:01,730 --> 00:48:00,900
um where it says or when a man breaks a

1245
00:48:08,809 --> 00:48:01,740
woman

1246
00:48:10,250 --> 00:48:08,819
okay what about a virgin birth

1247
00:48:13,130 --> 00:48:10,260
hmm

1248
00:48:15,950 --> 00:48:13,140
okay that means Jesus effectively is

1249
00:48:18,170 --> 00:48:15,960
married to his own mum right okay at

1250
00:48:19,309 --> 00:48:18,180
that point everyone's gonna go you can't

1251
00:48:21,170 --> 00:48:19,319
say that

1252
00:48:23,450 --> 00:48:21,180
um not in the sense

1253
00:48:27,410 --> 00:48:23,460
that these two were a couple they're not

1254
00:48:30,589 --> 00:48:27,420
a couple they legally owe everything to

1255
00:48:32,809 --> 00:48:30,599
each other so Jesus never married again

1256
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:32,819
he never went to anybody else he never

1257
00:48:37,309 --> 00:48:35,280
had kids he never reproduced he never

1258
00:48:39,170 --> 00:48:37,319
did anything like that at all there is

1259
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:39,180
no bloodline it's a recent invention

1260
00:48:43,550 --> 00:48:41,520
it's a modern invention and it can't be

1261
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:43,560
traced back to anything other than stuff

1262
00:48:47,390 --> 00:48:45,119
that's been made up at the end of the

1263
00:48:48,650 --> 00:48:47,400
day that's my opinion I'm going to stick

1264
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:48,660
to it because at the end of the day

1265
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:50,640
you've got Jesus you've got Mary and

1266
00:48:55,490 --> 00:48:52,079
you've got the evidence of the gospels

1267
00:48:57,470 --> 00:48:55,500
to say that they stayed together right

1268
00:48:59,450 --> 00:48:57,480
to the very end you know he's hanging on

1269
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:59,460
the cross he's dying he turns to John

1270
00:49:03,950 --> 00:49:01,440
and he says John behold your mother

1271
00:49:05,690 --> 00:49:03,960
mother behold your son you can only do

1272
00:49:08,030 --> 00:49:05,700
that if you're actually married to the

1273
00:49:10,250 --> 00:49:08,040
woman you cannot legally reassign

1274
00:49:11,809 --> 00:49:10,260
somebody like that and he's nailed for

1275
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:11,819
the cross doing it and there are so many

1276
00:49:16,430 --> 00:49:13,440
other examples of that that the pair of

1277
00:49:17,930 --> 00:49:16,440
them regarded each other as a couple and

1278
00:49:19,490 --> 00:49:17,940
I could go on and go on and go on I

1279
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:19,500
could write an entire chapter on it it's

1280
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:21,119
right throughout the whole thing as

1281
00:49:29,329 --> 00:49:24,960
that's one of the biggest secrets of all

1282
00:49:32,990 --> 00:49:29,339
time because the Catholic church has

1283
00:49:36,050 --> 00:49:33,000
Mary Mother Mary as the Queen of Heaven

1284
00:49:37,730 --> 00:49:36,060
now that means she's married to God so

1285
00:49:40,550 --> 00:49:37,740
I'm not the first to come up with this

1286
00:49:42,829 --> 00:49:40,560
you know somebody got this very early on

1287
00:49:44,569 --> 00:49:42,839
that's one of the major tenets of the

1288
00:49:47,450 --> 00:49:44,579
Catholic church that Mary is Queen of

1289
00:49:50,510 --> 00:49:47,460
Heaven and she is effectively thereby

1290
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:50,520
the wife of God which follows perfectly

1291
00:49:53,450 --> 00:49:51,839
when you start looking at other

1292
00:49:55,550 --> 00:49:53,460
religions at the time that Jesus was

1293
00:49:57,530 --> 00:49:55,560
around no worries whatsoever of course

1294
00:49:59,690 --> 00:49:57,540
the God can marry the goddess no worries

1295
00:50:01,370 --> 00:49:59,700
whatsoever it doesn't mean they have

1296
00:50:03,470 --> 00:50:01,380
kids it doesn't mean they have Nookie

1297
00:50:05,150 --> 00:50:03,480
you know none of that nonsense not like

1298
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:05,160
we think of it now in the 21st century

1299
00:50:09,470 --> 00:50:07,680
they just stayed together till a pair of

1300
00:50:11,210 --> 00:50:09,480
them well till he died and then

1301
00:50:14,089 --> 00:50:11,220
eventually she was taken by Joseph

1302
00:50:16,130 --> 00:50:14,099
aramathia and then she died so the idea

1303
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:16,140
that he has kids in this bloodline no

1304
00:50:20,569 --> 00:50:18,240
there isn't one so there's your first

1305
00:50:21,890 --> 00:50:20,579
radical thing uh the second radical

1306
00:50:23,930 --> 00:50:21,900
thing is

1307
00:50:26,690 --> 00:50:23,940
um I'm not going to tell you what my

1308
00:50:28,970 --> 00:50:26,700
name was before I changed it but I

1309
00:50:30,410 --> 00:50:28,980
changed it in the 1980s for stage

1310
00:50:32,510 --> 00:50:30,420
purposes because I used to be a drummer

1311
00:50:34,190 --> 00:50:32,520
but what I did was I

1312
00:50:35,870 --> 00:50:34,200
so I got all my

1313
00:50:37,870 --> 00:50:35,880
I tried to trace my old name and I

1314
00:50:40,849 --> 00:50:37,880
traced it using various different

1315
00:50:43,130 --> 00:50:40,859
records all the way back to see where it

1316
00:50:45,770 --> 00:50:43,140
would go and it led me back ultimately

1317
00:50:47,690 --> 00:50:45,780
to Scotland and The Western Isles but at

1318
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:47,700
the same time it's doing that I did some

1319
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:50,640
television work and we we got DNA tested

1320
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:52,800
to try and see where the DNA took me so

1321
00:50:59,569 --> 00:50:54,240
the DNA took me off in the same

1322
00:51:04,430 --> 00:50:59,579
direction okay my old last name

1323
00:51:06,910 --> 00:51:04,440
is the same name as the Grail Knights

1324
00:51:10,130 --> 00:51:06,920
so wow there you go so you're you're

1325
00:51:12,770 --> 00:51:10,140
interviewing if you like by default de

1326
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:12,780
facto the modern equivalent to the

1327
00:51:16,609 --> 00:51:15,359
family line that protected the Grail now

1328
00:51:17,930 --> 00:51:16,619
there is a section I've been really

1329
00:51:20,210 --> 00:51:17,940
cheeky because I'll put it in the book

1330
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:20,220
there's a section in the book that says

1331
00:51:24,770 --> 00:51:22,800
why the Cockerel guards The Grail

1332
00:51:27,710 --> 00:51:24,780
because you always see Grail knights

1333
00:51:29,870 --> 00:51:27,720
with a Grail riding on a Cockerel uh the

1334
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:29,880
other Knights that ride lions and they

1335
00:51:33,530 --> 00:51:31,440
ride you know all sorts of different

1336
00:51:35,089 --> 00:51:33,540
beasts but you always see the Grail

1337
00:51:36,770 --> 00:51:35,099
Knight riding a Cockerel and there's a

1338
00:51:38,569 --> 00:51:36,780
reason for that and it goes back to

1339
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:38,579
Scotland

1340
00:51:41,930 --> 00:51:40,559
um so if people come to me and they say

1341
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:41,940
you know why how have you got the

1342
00:51:45,170 --> 00:51:43,440
authority to do this on the other I

1343
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could go it's in my jeans you know

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genetically that's what I am I can't

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00:51:52,130 --> 00:51:50,339
escape it you know this clearly this was

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something even as a teenager that I was

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I was destined to do so it literally has

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become a part of me and I only

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00:52:03,770 --> 00:51:59,040
discovered that fairly recently it's

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only in the 2000s about 2007 2008

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00:52:07,130 --> 00:52:05,760
uh that piece of information fell into

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place so you've got all these people

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running around out there going yes I am

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I'm a knight of the Grail you know and

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you know gee I'm descended from you know

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Jesus's great great goodness knows what

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and this that and the other and I can

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actually I could go to my DNA test and I

1359
00:52:20,750 --> 00:52:19,200
can go hang on a minute I've got it in

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here and I've got it in writing as well

1361
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so there you go

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always stick to your physical evidence

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00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:27,540
why aren't the more archaeologists out

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00:52:31,549 --> 00:52:29,160
there you know stick to your physical

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00:52:33,290 --> 00:52:31,559
evidence know that which is before thy

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face that which is hidden will be

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revealed you know Dr Thomas again

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I absolutely love it and yes I I don't

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00:52:50,510 --> 00:52:48,170
to blow people as much because I've

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00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:50,520
never admitted to that before so it just

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00:52:53,710 --> 00:52:51,839
feels the appropriate thing to do I'm

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gonna go with the flow thank you Mark

1373
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:57,059
amazing stuff absolutely amazing no

1374
00:53:01,790 --> 00:52:59,520
coincidence that you are so

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00:53:03,650 --> 00:53:01,800
you know involved with this and have so

1376
00:53:05,930 --> 00:53:03,660
much resolve to get to the bottom of a

1377
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:05,940
lot of these things and we've done so

1378
00:53:11,390 --> 00:53:08,160
much work from uh research and

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00:53:13,309 --> 00:53:11,400
investigative standpoint and I also uh

1380
00:53:15,770 --> 00:53:13,319
Herald obviously my last name from

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00:53:17,809 --> 00:53:15,780
Scotland in The Western Isles but I

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think that this book is absolutely

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00:53:25,309 --> 00:53:20,819
amazing uh the hardcover is absolutely

1384
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:25,319
beautiful and oh yes uh let's let's uh

1385
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:27,119
as we wrap things up let's tell

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00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:30,240
listeners where they can purchase it and

1387
00:53:34,010 --> 00:53:32,160
how to keep up with everything that

1388
00:53:36,650 --> 00:53:34,020
you've got going on

1389
00:53:38,569 --> 00:53:36,660
okay uh well I love to keep things

1390
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:38,579
simple anybody that gets the book you

1391
00:53:42,290 --> 00:53:40,559
know please note it's in plain English

1392
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:42,300
there's no technical nonsense in there

1393
00:53:45,410 --> 00:53:43,920
you don't have to be able to speak 30

1394
00:53:47,930 --> 00:53:45,420
different languages to understand that

1395
00:53:49,549 --> 00:53:47,940
it's dead straight really simple so

1396
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:49,559
that's the best plug I can give for it

1397
00:53:53,690 --> 00:53:51,839
it's written for the reader so starting

1398
00:53:55,849 --> 00:53:53,700
on that basis uh keeping things really

1399
00:53:57,410 --> 00:53:55,859
simple any of my books I think there's

1400
00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:57,420
about eight or nine of them out at the

1401
00:54:00,530 --> 00:53:58,559
moment there's another one due out later

1402
00:54:02,210 --> 00:54:00,540
in the year anything that I'm publishing

1403
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:02,220
at the moment from all the different

1404
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:05,760
Publishers Amazon go get it from Amazon

1405
00:54:11,690 --> 00:54:08,960
it's all on there just type my name in

1406
00:54:13,609 --> 00:54:11,700
m-a-r-k-o-l-y uh you can you know Green

1407
00:54:15,710 --> 00:54:13,619
Man this very ninth Legion whatever any

1408
00:54:18,589 --> 00:54:15,720
of the ones you want to type in and this

1409
00:54:20,930 --> 00:54:18,599
one go find it it's there uh literally

1410
00:54:22,730 --> 00:54:20,940
click three days later comes through

1411
00:54:25,069 --> 00:54:22,740
your door dead simple couldn't be any

1412
00:54:26,210 --> 00:54:25,079
any simpler again if you want to try and

1413
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:26,220
contact me you want to get in contact

1414
00:54:31,370 --> 00:54:28,559
with me I'm only really on one platform

1415
00:54:33,470 --> 00:54:31,380
that's Facebook you know Facebook's not

1416
00:54:35,569 --> 00:54:33,480
a problem you can come and friend me or

1417
00:54:38,030 --> 00:54:35,579
send me message your messenger and I'll

1418
00:54:39,770 --> 00:54:38,040
pick that up in due course and you know

1419
00:54:41,630 --> 00:54:39,780
I'm on there every day so sooner or

1420
00:54:45,470 --> 00:54:41,640
later I'll pick up on that so it's dead

1421
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:45,480
easy you've got product Amazon me you've

1422
00:54:50,510 --> 00:54:47,760
got Facebook on you go

1423
00:54:52,490 --> 00:54:50,520
amazing stuff Mark I always love talking

1424
00:54:55,849 --> 00:54:52,500
to you're one of my favorite authors and

1425
00:54:58,130 --> 00:54:55,859
this has been extremely eye-opening uh

1426
00:54:59,870 --> 00:54:58,140
can't thank you enough for coming on

1427
00:55:02,089 --> 00:54:59,880
absolute pleasure and if you need me

1428
00:55:04,370 --> 00:55:02,099
again give me a shout

1429
00:55:06,890 --> 00:55:04,380
well if that doesn't blow your mind

1430
00:55:09,470 --> 00:55:06,900
nothing will talking about the

1431
00:55:13,250 --> 00:55:09,480
polychronicon of Merlin Joseph and

1432
00:55:16,730 --> 00:55:13,260
Arthur by Mark Ollie someone who traces

1433
00:55:18,650 --> 00:55:16,740
his Bloodlines back to the Knights of

1434
00:55:21,890 --> 00:55:18,660
the Holy Grail

1435
00:55:26,030 --> 00:55:21,900
go to Amazon pick the book up you will

1436
00:55:28,849 --> 00:55:26,040
not be disappointed it is amazing and

1437
00:55:31,130 --> 00:55:28,859
not only is it amazing it is the real

1438
00:55:34,010 --> 00:55:31,140
history in archeology

1439
00:55:36,589 --> 00:55:34,020
not just the invention of creative myth

1440
00:55:39,950 --> 00:55:36,599
and it reveals the incidents and

1441
00:55:42,049 --> 00:55:39,960
characters as they really were in

1442
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:42,059
chronological order

1443
00:55:44,809 --> 00:55:43,920
you really don't want to miss out on

1444
00:55:47,329 --> 00:55:44,819
this

1445
00:55:50,450 --> 00:55:47,339
it is an amazing book beautiful in

1446
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:50,460
hardback just as equally impressive in

1447
00:55:55,790 --> 00:55:52,079
paperback

1448
00:55:59,329 --> 00:55:55,800
the polychronicon of Merlin Joseph and

1449
00:56:02,630 --> 00:55:59,339
Arthur by Mark Ollie and please go to

1450
00:56:05,089 --> 00:56:02,640
patreon search for hero paranormal And

1451
00:56:07,549 --> 00:56:05,099
subscribe there is a ton of content

1452
00:56:09,890 --> 00:56:07,559
behind the paywall

1453
00:56:12,170 --> 00:56:09,900
until next time keep your eyes to the

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skies feet on the ground but don't

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foreign